Episode #391: Interview with Mark Vonnegut

Ed and Ron were honored to have on the show Dr. Mark Vonnegut to discuss his 2022 book, The Heart of Caring: A Life in Pediatrics. Yes, Mark is the son of Kurt Vonnegut. This show was a firsthand look at the healthcare system, its impact on children, along with the rest of us.

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Here are some brief show notes. Use these to follow along while listening to the show.

  • When did Dr. Mark know he wanted to be a doctor? Since a child, he knew he wanted to be a doctor but his commune in the 60’s got in the way first :)

  • The patient is king and if Dr. Mark doesn’t take care of them they go to other doctors. That was the simplified version of how 90% of doctors and hospitals looked at things in the early days of his career.

  • $6 used to be Dr. Mark’s overhead per visit. Today it is over $100 and attributable to compliance and performance metrics put on him by the insurers.

  • On medical care costs 30-40 years ago: “It had to be affordable when patients were paying out of pocket.” —Dr. Mark

  • Today it is virtually illegal for Dr. Mark to take care of someone without taking a co-payment. There is a tremendous amount of paperwork in front of the actual care.

  • Dr. Mark adopted electronic medical records 10 years before they were required because they can make medicine safer. Today they are billing machines weaponized by big hospitals and insurers.

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  • Dr. Mark’s is the last generation to experience a time when you could be a doctor and be your own boss. Today, 70% of doctors are actually employees.

  • Along the way, we have equated health INSURANCE with health CARE. Insurance shouldn’t pay for the mundane. Your car insurance doesn’t pay for oil changes or gasoline.

  • “Unnecessary administrative costs as much as unnecessary medical procedures. Probably more.” —Dr. Mark

  • Years ago, 90% of the medical diagnosis came from what the patient said. They physical exam confirmed it. The last few % points came from the lab. Today you troll the patient through the lab and see what bites.

  • “Most doctors have 10 minutes to see you at most. 40% of that time is spent entering data into a laptop with very little eye to eye contact. They come up with a number or diagnosis as their job.” —Dr. Mark

  • “Explanations of benefits” are evil bits of propaganda whereby the insurance company claims to have paid X when the cost was Y. —Dr. Mark

  • “Let the school nurses do immunizations because they don’t suffer fools.” —Dr. Mark

  • “The only thing dumber than making marijuana illegal is thinking it’s harmless to children.” —Dr. Mark

  • Hiring a social worker was the smartest thing Dr. Mark ever did. They made the whole pediatric practice much more efficient.

  • The baby formula shortage was a foreseeable and avoidable problem. Thankfully, Dr. Mark has some of the “fancy” formulas available for patients who really needed them.

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  • “There are more similarities than dissimilarities in taking care of patients with Ebola compared to patients with Diabetes.” —Dr. Mark

  • “There shouldn’t be a revolving door between the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA.” —Dr. Mark

  • A big THANK YOU to Dr. Mark Vonnegut for joining us today. Check out his book, “The Heart of Caring”


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